P Values: Not All That Significant, Really

A friend claims to be psychic and correctly calls five coin tosses in a row. If he were only guessing, this would happen 1 in 32 times (3.1%). Since this fall under the typical p < 0.05 threshold, the result is “significant”, but would anyone believe he possesses psychic abilities? If he tried to convince a particle physicist, five calls would not come close. Physicists would want about 22 in a row before claiming a discovery (Lyons 2023), so why do different sciences set different standards for “surprising enough”?

The p value itself is defined using a null hypothesis, a scenario where nothing interesting happens. The p value is the probability of data at least this extreme if the null hypothesis is true, and this resulting nuanced definition is often misinterpreted. While the p value assumes the chance and questions the data, it does not give the likelihood that results are due to chance. Reversing a probability changes it, just as most pro basketball players are tall, but most tall individuals are not pro basketball players. Hence, the p value cannot determine the likelihood that a hypothesis is true (Wasserstein and Lazar 2016). It also cannot account for the number of tests run or the plausibility of the claim, as genome studies and particle physics show.

Genome wide studies compare DNA from individuals with and without a trait, such as diabetes. Each variant (a spot where people’s DNA spelling differs) is assigned its own significance test, totalling up to roughly a million independent tests (Pe’er et al. 2008). Although most variants have no link to the trait, a threshold of p < 0.05 would still produce roughly 50 000 false hits by chance. To mitigate this, the field responded by dividing the cutoff by the number of tests: 0.05 / 1 000 000 = 5 x 10⁻⁸ (Kanai, Tanaka, and Okada 2016). This reflects the first limitation, as the same p value weighs much less when it is only one of a million tests.

Particle physics follows uses a five-sigma standard, where results must lie at least five standard deviations from what the null hypothesis predicts (p ≈ 3 × 10⁻⁷). This mitigates against implausible claims and experimental errors that can deviate ordinary data to produce dramatic results (Lyons 2023). In 2011, OPERA timed neutrinos (nearly massless subatomic particles) travelling 730 km and found they arrived about 60 nanoseconds earlier than light, at six sigma, way beyond the five-sigma standard (OPERA Collaboration 2011). However, the result was absurdly implausible, contradicting relativity and previous supernova observations that had capped any neutrino speed difference at under a ten-thousandth of this size. The anomaly was later traced largely to a faulty fibre-optic connection (Physics World 2012). The p value only measures chance; it cannot assess whether a hypothesis is reasonable or account for experimental errors.

Genome studies tightened their threshold to account for a massive scale testing, while particle physics retains its cutoffs to mitigate implausible claims and hidden errors. A p value threshold is not an arbitrary boundary but a carefully derived value reflecting the risks a field’s questions face. It is easy to digest “statistically significant” as is, but readers should invest more time into questioning how many tests were run and how plausible the hypothesis was before jumping to a conclusion.

References

Kanai, Masahiro, Toshihiro Tanaka, and Yukinori Okada. 2016. “Empirical Estimation of Genome-Wide Significance Thresholds Based on the 1000 Genomes Project Data Set.” Journal of Human Genetics 61 (10): 861–66. https://doi.org/10.1038/jhg.2016.72.

Lyons, Louis. 2023. “Five Sigma Revisited.” CERN Courier, July 3, 2023. https://cerncourier.com/a/five-sigma-revisited/

OPERA Collaboration. 2011. “Measurement of the Neutrino Velocity with the OPERA Detector in the CNGS Beam.” arXiv:1109.4897v1. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.1109.4897

Pe’er, Itsik, Roman Yelensky, David Altshuler, and Mark J. Daly. 2008. “Estimation of the Multiple Testing Burden for Genomewide Association Studies of Nearly All Common Variants.” Genetic Epidemiology 32 (4): 381–85. https://doi.org/10.1002/gepi.20303.

Physics World. 2012. “Faulty Fibre May Explain Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos.” February 2012. https://physicsworld.com/?p=16957.

Wasserstein, Ronald L., and Nicole A. Lazar. 2016. “The ASA’s Statement on p-Values: Context, Process, and Purpose.” The American Statistician 70 (2): 129–33. https://doi.org/10.1080/00031305.2016.1154108.

Comments

5 Responses to “P Values: Not All That Significant, Really”

  1. Hassan Rasheed Avatar
    Hassan Rasheed

    Hi Brand,
    Great post! I just have a couple of grammar tips and one other suggestion:

    P1S2: You could change “this would happen 1 in 32 times” to “there is a 1 in 32 chance of this happening” to make it clearer.

    P4S1: “Particle physics follows uses” should be changed to “Particle physics uses.”

    P5S1: “A massive scale testing” sounds a little awkward. You could change it to “a massive scale of testing.”

    Figure suggestion: Consider adding an image showing the difference between the p-value thresholds used in genome studies and particle physics. This could help readers understand the comparison more easily.

    Overall, really interesting post!
    Good luck
    Hassan

  2. Brand Hu Avatar
    Brand Hu

    Hi iSci, I wrote this blog to link the statistical tests we have done in physics lab 2, specifically the p value with the genetics aspect of life science. Since our statistical testing has almost always been done because of p < 0.05, I aimed to explore the implications of this concept and researched how this threshold could potentially deviate.

  3. Ava Sproule Avatar
    Ava Sproule

    Hi Brand,
    Good job on your post! I also think that it is very interesting how different fields of science use different criteria for analyzing data. I have a few suggestions for you:

    – I thought your introduction was very thought-provoking, but I would suggest rewording it to make it more clear. For your second sentence, consider changing it to “For him to guess all 5 tosses correctly would be very unlikely and occur only 1 in 31 times (3.1%).”

    – Your definition of the p-value is a little unclear to me. Consider changing it to “the p-value is the probability of getting a result this or more extreme if the null hypothesis is true,” and then in a separate sentence explain the misconceptions of it.

    – P2S4: I am unsure of what you mean by “reversing a probability changes it.”

    – P3S2: Instead of having a bracket beside the variant, you can state, “Each distinct DNA variance…” I think this offers enough details for the reader to understand.

    Overall, I think you explained a very complex topic well. Good luck with editing, and I look forward to reading your final draft!

    – Ava

  4. Riyal Monga Avatar
    Riyal Monga

    Hi Brand! The psychic friend example caught my attention because I could follow the math and still have doubts about the claim. It made me curious about what “statistically significant” actually tells us. I had a few suggestions as I was reading.

    1. P1S2-3 – I’d specify that your friend gets one set of five tosses. The 1-in-32 calculation works for that set, but if he keeps trying until he gets five right in a row, the streak becomes much less surprising. That detail would also set up your point about running a million tests later on. One small typo here is “Since this fall,” which should be “Since this falls.”

    2. P2S1 – You could use the friend again to define the null hypothesis. Something like “In this example, the null hypothesis is that your friend has a 50% chance of calling each toss correctly.” That gives readers something concrete to refer back to when you explain what “at least this extreme” means.

    3. P3S3 – I liked the 50,000 figure because it shows how quickly false hits can add up. To make the calculation easier to follow, you could write, “Even if none of the one million variants were linked to the trait, we’d still expect about 50,000 to pass the 0.05 cutoff by chance.” The word “expect” helps clarify that the actual count can vary.

    4. P4 and P5 – The faulty cable was the detail that stuck with me. I’d carry it into the conclusion, since “mitigate implausible claims and hidden errors” makes it sound like a stricter cutoff could catch a faulty connection. You could say, “Even a six-sigma result gave the wrong impression because the equipment itself affected the measurement.” Also, “Particle physics follows uses” just needs one verb.

    Overall, I liked how the examples gave me two questions I could actually use the next time I see a surprising result. How many chances were there to find it, and how was it measured? Happy editing! 🙂

    Regards,
    Riyal

  5. Swetha Subramanian Avatar
    Swetha Subramanian

    Hi Brand,

    This is such an interesting exploration of how statistical significance should actually be evaluated! Some suggestions I have for you are:

    – In P1S5, you could reword the phrase explaining the null hypothesis into something like “a statement that assumes no real change was observed between different variables”
    – Change the phrase “DNA spelling differs” into maybe”DNA sequences differ.”
    – When you mentioned “OPERA timed neutrinos” you could specify that it was an experiment so that the readers know what OPERA refers to.

    Overall, this was a great post, and I look forward to reading the final draft!

    Best,
    Swetha S

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